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Letter written by an ER doc

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An ER doc wrote this in response to a discussion he listened to on ano rectal pain in the ED. Thankfully, there are doctors out there who "get it".

Dear Dr. ___________________
In the April 2011 EMRAP you featured an interesting discussion with Dr. XXXX and Dr. ZZZZ, a colorectal surgeon and faculty at USC. I found the discussion on acute rectal pain interesting and I want to comment and add some important considerations to the differential diagnosis. A family member of mine developed pudendal neuralgia and pelvic floor dysfunction, a rather rare, yet debilitating condition that often presents in the ED. When the condition is acute, if diagnosed appropriately with correct referral, this condition can be treated and the path to chronic widespread pain may be averted. Pudendal neuralgia /pelvic floor dysfunction affects women more than men, although it was first described in French cyclists, and termed “cyclists syndrome”, “bicycle seat neuropathy”, and often in men, is misdiagnosed as chronic non-bacterial prostatitis. The condition can present with severe widespread pelvic pain, or localized pain to the s2-4 distribution, and in men, penile pain, perineal pain, and rectal pain. Often the pain is described like a “foreign body “ in the rectum or vagina. A cardinal symptom is excruciating pain with sitting, and it is often relieved with sitting on a toilet seat. Patients will often describe weakened urine stream, urgency frequency and constipation.

This condition often affects young people who are active athletes: cyclists, runners, horseback riders, weight lifters and gymnasts. Other individuals affected are people who work in jobs that require prolonged sitting, such as IT professionals, and truck/taxi drivers. Women who have had traumatic birth injuries, frequent UTI’s, and painful intercourse should all be considered at risk for PN/PFD if they present with the above symptoms. Patients who have inflammatory bowel disease are also at risk for PN/PFD. Those affected are 2/3 women, and 1/3 men. Men will complain of ejaculatory pain and erectile dysfunction, and women will often complain of clitoral pain, perineal pain, and sometimes experience persistent sexual arousal. Burning stabbing pain is often described and they experience allodynia, and are unable to even tolerate wearing underwear and anything but loose clothing. The pain can become widespread, centralized, and chronic.

I draw this to your attention because since I have learned more about the scope of pelvic floor dysfunction and pudendal neuralgia, I have diagnosed several cases in the ED and made appropriate referrals. I have seen patients who are bounced back and forth to urologists and other physicians, treated with multiple courses of antibiotics for "chronic prostatitis" with no benefit, and end up in the ED feeling hopeless and in severe pain without anyone having considered this diagnosis. Many urologists and OB-Gyn's, and most primary care physicians are not aware of this condition, and it sometimes requires extra time to educate the patient as well as their physicians about this possible diagnosis. Of course this diagnosis is not made until other diagnoses such as PID, acute prostatitis, pelvic and rectal tumors, etc. have been ruled out.

There are physical therapists who exclusively treat pelvic pain in both men and women. Physical therapy is the starting point for treatment, and if PT fails to progress, other measures such as nerve blocks can be done. Pudendal nerve blocks are diagnostic in purpose. Many patients are referred to pain management specialists for chronic pain management. Although there are surgeons who specialize in pudendal nerve decompression surgery, the surgery is rather controversial and the outcomes concerning. This condition has the potential to be extraordinarily disabling, and many patients end up with a disability diagnosis. If we can at least have this diagnosis on our radar, and appropriately refer for a PT evaluation, we can potentially intervene before a widespread chronic pain
PNE since 2002. Started from weightlifting. PNE surgery from Dr. Bautrant, Oct 2004. Pain now is usually a 0 and I can sit for hours on certain chairs. No longer take medication for PNE. Can work full time and do "The Firm" exercise program. 99% cured from PGAD. PNE surgery was right for me but it might not be for you. Do your research.
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Great letter!
Athlete until pain started in 2001. Diagnosed with PN in Nov. 2010. Probable cause: 3 difficult labors, 5 pelvic surgeries for endometriosis, and undiagnosed hip injuries. 60% better after 3 rounds of shockwave therapy in Cornwall, Ontario (Dec - Feb/12). 99% better after bilateral hip scopes for FAI and labral tears (April and July/12). Pelvic pain life coach Lorraine Faendrich helped me overcome the mind/body connection to chronic pain: http://www.radiantlifedesign.com
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I agree with Lernica - Great letter! I can't help but wonder if those he sent he sent the letter to took it seriously or not?
Ultra Sound in 03/08 showed severely retroverted, detaching uterus with mulitple fibroids and ovarian cysts.
Pressure and pain in lower abdomen and groin area was unspeakable and devastating.
Total lap hysterectomy in 06/08, but damage was already done.
EMG testing in NH in 04/10 - bilateral PN and Ilioinguals
3T MRI at HSS, NY in 09/10
Bilateral TG surgery with Dr. Conway on 03/29/11. Bilat ilioinguinal & iliohypogastric neurectomy 03/12. TCD surgery 04/14.
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A friend shared this with me the other day. It's very encouraging, and I'm thankful the doc took the time to write and send this letter.
2008: mild pelvic pain and PFD began
2009: true PN/PFD pain, two PN blocks, normal PNMLT
2010: PT and conservative management with moderate improvement in PN/PFD symptoms
2011: surgery for extensive endometriosis; arthroscopic hip surgery to repair labral tear and FAI (right hip)
2012: C-section delivery of first child
2014: arthroscopic hip surgery to repair labral tear and FAI (left hip); C-section delivery of second child
Ongoing physical therapy since 2010 for both pelvic floor and hips.
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The focus seems to be on PN/PFD since the letter writer had experience with that in his family. It doesn't mention PNE, which is never helped by PT or blocks but is often helped by surgery. Hopefully the information about the problem coming from the pudendal nerve will lead sufferers to do some research in case they have no response to blocks and PT.
PNE as a result of childbirth, 2002. Treatment by the Houston team, with neurosurgery by Dr. Ansell in 2004. My left side ST and SS ligaments were found to be grown together, encasing the pudendal nerve.

I am cured. I hope you will be, too.

There are no medical answers on the forum. Your only hope is to go to a doctor. I was very happy with the Houston team, which has treated the most PNE patients (well over 400), more than any other US provider.

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Is this in "official" print anywhere? Where we could share with our docs?

Thank you.
Grace
Woke screaming from ab hyst 6/08
Diagnosed w/PN, ilioinguinal & iliohypogastric neuralgias 1/09
3 PN blocks w/Dr Quesada
Rt side TIR, ilioinguinal neurectomy & vestibulectomy 5/09 Dr Conway
Left side TIR 2/10 Dr Conway
Potter MRI 9/10 and consultation w/Loretta & Dr Hibner 12/10
Bilateral ilioinguinal, iliohypogastric, genitofemoral release w/Dr. Hashemi Aug 2011 left & Sept rt
Bilateral TG surgery w/Dr. Conway will be in January 2012
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not in official print but I saw it on another site- shall look for it

Cora
Onset PN/PFD/centralized pain in Oct 06 after years of athletics,nursing career and dog training. PT for two years with improvement, now go for tune-ups and pain management. Stopped Cymbalta, was on M.S. Contin, then Kadian, and briefly Methadone for pain management, now off those meds and pain is well managed with Buprenorphine. Followed my pain management specialist.
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Here is the link for publication on the Institute of Women in Pain Site.

http://www.instituteforwomeninpain.com/ ... sfunction/
Onset PN/PFD/centralized pain in Oct 06 after years of athletics,nursing career and dog training. PT for two years with improvement, now go for tune-ups and pain management. Stopped Cymbalta, was on M.S. Contin, then Kadian, and briefly Methadone for pain management, now off those meds and pain is well managed with Buprenorphine. Followed my pain management specialist.
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Interesting letter but it is depressing too. The letter implies that a cure remains very elusive. There is still a huge gap in education for sure. The first doctor I saw for pelvic pain looked at me like I was crazy and adviced me to go take some Tylenol.
2002 PN pain started following a fall on a wet marble floor
2004 Headache in the pelvis clinic. Diagnosed with PNE by Drs. Jerome Weiss, Stephen Mann, and Rodney Anderson
2004-2007 PT, Botox, diagnosed with PNE by Dr. Sheldon Jordan
2010 MRN and 3T MRI showing PNE. Diagnosed with PNE by Dr. Aaron Filler. 2 failed PNE surgeries.
2011-2012 Horrific PN pain.
2013 Experimented with various Mind-body modalities
3/2014 Significantly better
11/2014 Cured. No pain whatsoever since
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This ER doc is a smart ER doc, and one of the few who gets it and actually understand PNE. More doctors, urologists, neurologists, and neurosurgeons, need to be familiar with Pudendal Neuralgia/PNE by being taught about it in Med Schools, which I don't think that most Med Schools do. I don't think it is more of a rare thing as much as an underdiagnosed or misdiagnosed thing. I wish I saw him during all my visits to the ER last year :)
Bringing Help Awareness Education to Patients & Doctors about PNE through Videos at http://www.YouTube.com/PudendalNerve & PudendalHope.com Please tell Dr. Oz to cover topic of PNE by going to http://www.doctoroz.com/contact Started 1/2010. Initial urinary tract infection in 1/2010. Medication: Diazepam, Tramadol. 4 nerve blocks. physical reinjury 8/2010. 7/2011 Potter MRI Varices dorsal branch 8/23/11 Diagnosis Entrapment of Dorsal Branch Dr. Lee Dellon There's Always Hope!
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