lidocaine/bupivicaine ointment

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quilter
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lidocaine/bupivicaine ointment

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I've used lidocaine 5% ointment for 6 years to help numb the left vulvar burning & sensitivity. Helps to a point but some days wish I could inject it, especially when PGAD hits. Very allergic to many adhesives so patches are out, plus it's a tough area to make anything stick. I've been going through a cycle of PAGD the past several weeks; can go 6-10 months with none at all, then it's back. The left vulvar sensitivity is pretty constant. I'd seen people mentioning 10% lidocaine here and asked my compounding pharmacist about increasing the strength. He didn't recommend going that high, but compromising at 7% and adding 0.5% bupivacaine for deeper penetration/longer effect. Got my pain doc to write the script.

Tips: 1) 3 different compounding pharmacists told me years ago that ointment is the most effective carrier for topical lidocaine, not cream or gel. Can't recall why, but something to consider. 2) For sterility and convenience I always order it in 4 tubes rather than a giant tub: 2 30 gm and 2 15 gm (script is 90 gm). The large size for the bathroom; the smaller size (like a small travel toothpaste) stays in my purse. 3) Check with the regular pharmacies to see what they offer. One time my new pain doc faxed a script for 5% ointment to CVS, not remembering I get it compounded through my GYN. Didn't know he'd ordered it until I picked up a different med. With a $10 co-pay (cheaper than compounded) I bought it after discussing the intended use with the CVS pharmacist. It's the only brand CVS could get, but contains polyethylene glycol in 2 forms PLUS peppermint oil. I found it irritating and don't use it, but guess some people find the peppermint soothing.
Acute left vag/rectal pain 1999 lowering into chair. Dx 2006 with PNE/VV by PTs, Dr. Garcia, Weiss, Hibner. Many shots. PNMLT: left PN barely fuctional. Left TIG by Dr. Hibner 2007 (ST lig). 75% improved 1 year postop, slow decline. Pelvic floor Botox 2010. Left sacral SCS 2011 after good trial; removed 2012 due to NEW left S2 & rectal pain, bowel freq. Re-do left TIG by Dr. H & 5-day ketamine 2013; 1-1/2 years postop 70% improved. New post-SCS Sx are worse than PN Sx.
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Re: lidocaine/bupivicaine ointment

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Quilter,
Glad you have something that helps! I just found out they sell 5% lidocaine over the counter at Walgreens. I picked up a flyer at the colon rectal surgeons office when I was there to see if I had hemmorhoid but turns out may have been a clot that was going away but stil hurt. He suggested preparation H but that can raise my blood pressure and since another time he gave me a prescriptiin for lidocaine I then tried that to avoid the blood pressure issue. It is actually listed as anorectal cream called RectiCare in case someone else eants to try it. Not as cheap as your copayabout $30 for 30 grams but it helps now and then.
Janet
2007-08 pelvic muscles spasms treated by EGS. 6/27/10 sat too long on hard chair- spasms, EGS not work Botox help, cortisone shots in coccyx help, still pain, PT found PNE & sent me to Dr Marvel nerve blocks & MRN, TG left surgery 5/9/11. I have chronic bunion pain surgery at age 21. TG gave me back enough sitting to keep my job & join in some social activities. I wish the best to everyone! 2019 luck with orthotics from pedorthist & great PT allowing me to get off oxycodone.
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Re: lidocaine/bupivicaine ointment

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I have found 10% lidocane that comes from a good compounding pharmacy to be very helpful. It is topical and very helpful with not all of my symptoms but with some of them and I would not have lasted this long without it. My suggestion is try it everywhere as i am sure not all the symptoms are the same or located in the same place at any one time ...I hope this helps someone as for my pharmacy ...i use one in balt and they ship it to me and i keep it refrigerated. Professional Arts Pharmacy It is expensive but worth it. Why more dr do not suggest it, is a mystery to me.
2007-2010 anitriptyline for PN, 2010 it caused severe dystonia
2010 PNB w steroids caused severe PGAD
11-2010 St Josephs NH. , ketamine drip, meds etc to stop nerve from firing, nothing worked
11-2010 - 3-2011 Elliott Hosp. Pain Manag. Center , 16 PNB w/ lidocane did not work
3-2011 bilateral TG surg., w/ Dr. Conway
12-2011 3TMRI, Dr. Potter, rt side nerve re-entrapped w/ scar tissue
3-2013 rt side re-do surgery w/ Dr. Hibner for PGAD
sadie
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Re: lidocaine/bupivicaine ointment

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Quilter i just tried an over the counter patch the other night called SALONPAS made of capsaian I used it on the tailbone and sightly below for arousal in that area and it helped a little . It was actually much better then the 10.00 dollar a patch prescription lidocane patch . I can't use it in any other areas but my back because it really burns but it was better then nothing and worth a try if your pgad is ever in the back area. My heart goes out to you. I have a sever case of PGAD and I feel your pain. Sadie
2007-2010 anitriptyline for PN, 2010 it caused severe dystonia
2010 PNB w steroids caused severe PGAD
11-2010 St Josephs NH. , ketamine drip, meds etc to stop nerve from firing, nothing worked
11-2010 - 3-2011 Elliott Hosp. Pain Manag. Center , 16 PNB w/ lidocane did not work
3-2011 bilateral TG surg., w/ Dr. Conway
12-2011 3TMRI, Dr. Potter, rt side nerve re-entrapped w/ scar tissue
3-2013 rt side re-do surgery w/ Dr. Hibner for PGAD
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