drds89's MRI results Dr Potter

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drds89's MRI results Dr Potter

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Hi all,
I posted over on tipna a lengthy story about my pudendal nerve saga (too many details), typical symptoms of perineal branch + horrific autonomic symptons. Short summary is: I fell skating 2+ years ago (was wearing a coccyx 'protector'- ha! :x ) and that was all the clinical info given to the radiologists, to try and get a 'blind' read on the films. I'll post my symptoms in another section on this site.

The information I hoped to get from the MRI was: if entrapped at ST or SS, then that would point in one direction if surgery--TG-- but if clear 'back there' and only injured/scarred/entrapped down low where the coccyx protector hit, then that does open other options (like local injections, TIR, etc or doing nothing, waiting...) FYI: PT was a fiasco this second time around.

Dr Potter was gracious enough to read an outside film, also 3T and discuss with the neuroradiologist 1 hr from my home, the protocol for images she needed.
There was always the possibility the images would be inferior and she could not read the films-- waste of time/trip and minor flareup I got from just travelling 1 hr (lying down in minivan-- it's the getting in and out that is the problem). But she was able to! and here is her report:
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Submitted outside MR examination of the pelvis was performed utilizing coronal and oblique axial inversion recovery followed by coronal, sagittal, axial and oblique axial fast spin echo techniques. Clinical concern is pudendal nerve entrapment. There is a history of a fall 2 years previously.

The inferior margin of the coccyx is deviated to the left with scarring of the anococcygeal ligament. The branches of the pudendal nerves to the rectum are well visualized without scar enhancement. There is, however, asymmetry of the fat planes surrounding the pudendal nerves, particularly on the left with scarring of the anterioinferior margin adjacent to the perineal muscles. This is noted on series 5 image 6, where there is linear scar entrapping the left pudendal nerve. A focal pelvic floor varix is identified at the anterioinferior margin of the left Alcock’s canal, extending to the margin of the left dorsal nerve to the penis. No extensive scarring of the pubic symphysis is seen. More posteriorly, the fat planes around the sacrotuberous ligaments are preserved and there is no scar enhancement of the pudendal nerves at that point. The sacrospinous ligaments also appear symmetric. There is no soft tissue mass in the precoccygeal space. There is no occult fracture. No pelvic adenopathy is appreciated.

Impression:

Submitted outside MR examination of the pelvis demonstrates focal scar entrapment of the left pudendal nerve at the anterioinferior margin of Alcock’s canal, adjacent to a focally prominent felvic floor varix. The pudendal nerves more posteriorly appear symmetric and there is no scar encasement appreciated at the branches of the pudendal nerves to the rectum. There is post-traumatic deviation of the coccyx, with scarring of the anococcygeal ligament.
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I checked to make sure the images were not accidentally inverted and at least in NY they were not; perhaps in the facility where I went? Or, I'm crazy. Or, I'm entrapped on both sides and the pathology on my R could not be seen on the MRI, ie too distal? What she is seeing on the "L" is exactly where I thought the problem was on my Right. Or, there are numerous other possibilities.

My autonomic symptoms have been largely absent in the past 3 months, only briefly, if I forget, in the middle of the night if one of our kids wakes me up and I jump up without thinking, I'll get zapped.

Well, thanks for reading. And I am very thankful to Dr Potter for even agreeing to read an outside scan. Her assistant, Amanda, was so kind, and prompt with the email replies. From her report she doesn't diss the quality of the films at all and even comments on the inferior rectal branches, and able to see the fat planes of ST areas. So, I'm thinking that if there was scarring deep inside at the ST or falciform process impingement, I would think she would have been able to see it.

Don S
Fell skating 2008. Abnormal PNMLT R perineal branch 12/08. Pudendal block +relief for several hours. Complete recovery, off medications, using cushion after 9 months; re-injured late 2009 doing yardwork. Major flare after injections 2&3 Feb. 2010. No sitting/hyperprotecting since 2/2010 to present. Symptoms gradually better, but not like the first time; still with pain up to 5, but 1-3 most common and 0 while recumbent.
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Re: drds89's MRI results Dr Potter

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Don,

Thank you for posting this on the forum. Everyone benefits from reading others' 3T reports. We are all in the same boat and want relief --- desperately.

When you fell, what did it feel like? Lightning striking you or just a normal ouch fall on the ice? I always wonder about that when I watch Athena jumping around, or in the bathtub. I would never want a fall to make my sweet angel get what Mommy had/has.

It sounds like you are faced with the TG/TIR approach.

I know for a fact Dr. Hibner removed my scar tissue around the nerve at the exact same spot your MRI shows you are entrapped, so there's no doubt in my mind that he couldn't do it. We are entrapped in the same place. I am entrapped bilaterally per Dr. Potter's report, but the L was much greater than R. I am scheduled for a R sided decompression in July but I pray to GOD I don't have to have it. Dr. Hibner is praying that I don't have to have it either, and that my pelvis will just "reset" after everything heals from the left, the PT I will do, etc. He's hoping that the minor amount of scar tissue picked up on Potter's image won't be enough to create a need for surgery. As you all know, however, I am exhibiting clinical symptoms of PNE on the right now. It could be crosstalk.... who knows.... time will tell.... but my faith is GOING to carry me through I cannot let this destroy me.

God bless and I hope that you find relief and some rest at least knowing that you verifiably have an entrapment. I am praying you go down the right path and choose the right doctor to help you. It seems like you've been through a lot.

AM
Daughter grew completely on left side of pelvis
Multiple uterine surgeries to fix uterine adhesions, septum, and endo
Had all the conservative workups done, 3Tesla (Potter), recovering from L sided TG (Hibner) 11/10, Botox 6/11 failed, bilateral anterior PNE decompression (distal Alcock's/perineal branch), Aszmann, Vienna, 10/11; dx'd with CRPS Type 2, 12/11, Ketamine @ CCF 2/12, doing 75% better PRAISE JESUS!
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