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Re: Psychology

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:29 am
by HerMajesty
sunil wrote: Lastly I do not understand people like you Faith .. why discriminate ? Why can you not accept others ? I am glad God that I know has taught me to love and to accept others as His children, I have been told by my spiritual master that everyone is related through God and we are all God brothers and Sisters.
Sunil I really don't think she was trying to discriminate. She is trying to get perspective on an issue through the lens of her own religion, from people who study and practice her religion.
Like since I am a Christian, if I were to approach the subject of whether or not it is OK in the context of my religion to drink alcohol, I would not ask a Muslim. Of course a Muslim will tell me it is a sin to drink alcohol but that is in the context of Islam, not Christianity. A Christian would tell me alcohol itself is not a sin, in fact Jesus drank alcohol, but abusing alcohol is a sin and causing a brother or sister who is prone to alcohol abuse to stumble is a sin, so I need to seriously consider what role alcohol takes in my life.
This is the spiritual section, not the religious debate section, and Sunil if you ever choose to write about your beliefs or ask questions exclusively of others who share your beliefs nobody is going to put you down for that.

Re: Psychology

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:29 pm
by HerMajesty
sunil wrote:
HerMajesty wrote:
Sunil I really don't think she was trying to discriminate. She is trying to get perspective on an issue through the lens of her own religion, from people who study and practice her religion.
Like since I am a Christian, if I were to approach the subject of whether or not it is OK in the context of my religion to drink alcohol, I would not ask a Muslim. Of course a Muslim will tell me it is a sin to drink alcohol but that is in the context of Islam, not Christianity. A Christian would tell me alcohol itself is not a sin, in fact Jesus drank alcohol, but abusing alcohol is a sin and causing a brother or sister who is prone to alcohol abuse to stumble is a sin, so I need to seriously consider what role alcohol takes in my life.
This is the spiritual section, not the religious debate section, and Sunil if you ever choose to write about your beliefs or ask questions exclusively of others who share your beliefs nobody is going to put you down for that.
Don't you think when you are dealing with medical professions there should be no religion? Are they not meant to treat everyone equally? It touched something in me ... if you read my experiences with hospitals like St. Vincents and Sisters of Mercy you will know being told to go back to where I came from or not getting treated was hard for me. It does raise quite a few questions in my mind what if I see a doctor who is a Christian and I don't know they are ... will they treat me equally? From my experience probably not. Medicine and religion should not mix when professionals make life saving/changing decisions.
Sunil I know it touched something in you because I have read every word you wrote about your experiences and I am sorry you have been mistreated.
When you say in dealing with medical professions shouldn't there be no religion...yes I would never choose to go or not go to a Doctor based on their religious faith and a Doctor who treats a patient differently based on their religious faith should not be a Doctor.

But the reason there is a spiritual section on a medical board for patients is that for many, or most, of us dealing with chronic pain is an experience of spiritual significance. I know it is for me because I feel strongly I was not made to suffer randomly in an indifferent world, but I was made to suffer by a loving God for a purpose.

For Faith, I think the deal is, if she had never been to a psychologist before and wanted to know what everyone thought about psychology for PN patients, she would have posted elsewhere. I think upon being asked to see a psychologist, she wanted to know specifically if psychology was an OK thing for someone of her religion to be involved in, so she posted in this section.

Believe me I know about so-called Christians acting with hate towards people of other religions. I am a Jewish Christian and as I only became a Christian about 12 years ago before that I was a secular Jew (that is, an ethnic Jew not practicing their religion, which is common in the USA, my parents were ethnic Jews and atheists). Some very ugly things have been done to the Jews in the name of Christ, and some Christians did act in a very ignorant fashion towards me. So based on that if I cared about the evil works of man I would not have become a Christian. I became a Christian because I care about God more than about man, and nothing evil that man has ever done is going to take Jesus away from me.

Sunil I think you are carrying around a lot of hurt and anger from your experiences but I don't think Faith is the person to vent that anger at as there was no offense in her question unless you look at it through the lens of the hurt and anger you are already carrying around with you. I know you believe God calls us to love one another so I hope you will let those feelings go and look back at what she said through the lens of the love God has shown to you.

Re: Psychology

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:38 pm
by Karyn
:o Wow! Nice response, HM! ;)
Love ya,
Karyn

Re: Psychology

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:22 pm
by Faith
sunil wrote:
Faith wrote:Those of you who are Christians I would like to get your opinion on something.
I thought enough people had been discriminated against in this world based on colour, religion, etc. but we still have it here don't we? I am so glad I do not believe in Christ the more I see people from what I term the middle eastern faiths the more I thank God for loving me and keeping me away from such a fait.

Lastly I do not understand people like you Faith .. why discriminate ? Why can you not accept others ? I am glad God that I know has taught me to love and to accept others as His children, I have been told by my spiritual master that everyone is related through God and we are all God brothers and Sisters. Sunil

I am sorry Sunil that you feel this way. This is the spiritual area of the forum and I think we are allowed to discuss spiritual issues here. We don't have to agree of course. I am a Christian and I wanted to get other Christians' perspective on my experience and psychology in general. If a Muslim was on this forum and wanted to get other Muslims' opinion he/she could do just that. I would not call that discrimination.

I am sorry you do not believe in Christ. He is my reason for being. Without Him I would have no hope. His death on the cross has given me eternal life and while He told us there would be great trouble in this world I can rest assured knowing this horrible pain will end one day.

Re: Psychology

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:53 pm
by Faith
sunil wrote:Don't you think when you are dealing with medical professions there should be no religion? Are they not meant to treat everyone equally? It touched something in me ... if you read my experiences with hospitals like St. Vincents and Sisters of Mercy you will know being told to go back to where I came from or not getting treated was hard for me. It does raise quite a few questions in my mind what if I see a doctor who is a Christian and I don't know they are ... will they treat me equally? From my experience probably not. Medicine and religion should not mix when professionals make life saving/changing decisions.
I agree with you Sunil. Medical professionals should not treat people differently based on their religion. I am sorry you were treated poorly by people in the Catholic hospitals. But just because you go to a Catholic hospital for help doesn't mean that every doctor and nurse there will be catholic or even Christians. For instance, I work at a Catholic hospital, but I am not Catholic. I am a protestant, born again believer in Jesus Christ (Christian). There are many doctors at our Catholic hospital that are Muslim and Hindu and even agnostic. It is sad that a hospital that claims to be religious by name doesn't uphold those beliefs in their care to patients. But that is extremely hard to do. People can claim to be Christians, but only God knows the heart. I am very sorry you were mistreated. People in this world will always disappoint us because we are sinners. But thre is one who never sinned and that is Jesus. He does not disappoint. If you have a Bible you should read Luke 10:25-37. This is story of the good samaritan, a popular story even to non-Christians. The interesting thing is Israelites did not like Samaritans, but the Samaritan is the one who showed compassion and helped the man who was left for dead. This is what God commands us to do. Those who do differently (discriminate against others) are not acting according to God's instruction in the Bible and we have to keep that in mind.
HerMajesty wrote:Like since I am a Christian, if I were to approach the subject of whether or not it is OK in the context of my religion to drink alcohol, I would not ask a Muslim. Of course a Muslim will tell me it is a sin to drink alcohol but that is in the context of Islam, not Christianity.
That's funny. I didn't even see you used Islam as an example when I also used Islam as my example!
HerMajesty wrote:I know it is for me because I feel strongly I was not made to suffer randomly in an indifferent world, but I was made to suffer by a loving God for a purpose....I am a Jewish Christian and as I only became a Christian about 12 years ago before that I was a secular Jew (that is, an ethnic Jew not practicing their religion, which is common in the USA, my parents were ethnic Jews and atheists).
That is so interesting HM! I didn't know you came from a Jewish background. We seem to hold similiar theological veiws about God and suffering. We should talk sometime. Maybe I will PM you!

Re: Psychology

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:09 am
by HerMajesty
Go for it Faith, let me know if your favorite book of the Bible is the book of Job because mine is :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Psychology

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:15 am
by HerMajesty
sunil wrote: All I can say is pray and ask for help as I did and right next to me at the temple I found someone I never knew she was a psychologists, this is God at work.
Sunil
I definitely agree with you Sunil, this is the way He operates :D

Maybe you could find out what type of therapy you were getting and let us know the name of it. There are different therapy modalaties (cognitive-behavioral, transactional analysis, psychoanalytic, etc), and I could not figure out which one you were describing but I am glad it worked for you.
Definitely in seeking therapy one should definitely be a shopper: "Here is my problem, do you have the tools to help me address it, and what is your estimate on how long it will take for my problem to resolve". A Therapist who wants you to learn to be independent of her, sounds like a very good Therapist. I'm glad you found her.

Re: Psychology

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:31 am
by Faith
HerMajesty wrote:Go for it Faith, let me know if your favorite book of the Bible is the book of Job because mine is :lol: :lol: :lol:
Romans is actually my favorite book of the Bible, but Job is a close second! :)